How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

What is the worst name in Tolkien’s legendarium (meaning and look)?

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

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Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

How can one justify in Sweden that total subsidies for public green energy initiatives being approximately 8.2 billion SEK per year? Electric cars at market price typically cost an average of 500,000 SEK which is above household budgets.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Kabir (a weaver)

Was there any slavery of white people that actually compares to the transatlantic slave trade? I’m not baiting or anything actually genuinely curious and want to know.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

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How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

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We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Do women like men who have slept with many women?

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Why do I sweat so much after shower?

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

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One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

He said he loves me, but why is it difficult for him to leave his wife?

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

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Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

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ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

Why do men suck dick? Me, I can't get enough

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

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Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Now here in this verse

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

CONCLUSION:

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Sain (a barber)

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

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For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

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Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

I am like a fish out of water,

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

NOW…

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.